ScribeGT6817
2014-08-21 08:31 UTC–5

NatoGreavesy wrote:

I got to wondering about this while reading some stuff on BS01. Most, if not all, tribes on Bara Magna seem to have Glatorian. Is this true of the Iron tribe as well? Were there Glatorian of Iron, and if so, did any of them survive Annona's dreaming plague? 


I believe the plague happened before the Glatorian system was established, so no.

ScribeGT6817
2014-08-21 08:32 UTC–5

BIONICHARGE wrote:

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

BIONICHARGE wrote:

BIONICHARGE wrote:

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

BIONICHARGE wrote:

Another question:

 

Vakama once threatened Teridax, telling him that he would shatter the Vahi and unleash the power of time upon the universe.  What would happen if somebody shattered:

 

1. the Ignika?

2. the Avohkii/Kraahkan?

3. the Mask of Creation?

4. an Olmak?


I believe we did things in story about what would happen if the Ignika fell apart. As for the rest, I don't think we ever stated that every single mask would cause a problem if it was broken. Most masks would just be useless if they were broken and would not unleash their power.


Of course not.  It isn't like a broken Hau would form a shield around the Matoran Universe!  I was just interested to see if there were a few other special cases like the Vahi, mostly legendary masks or one-of-a-kind masks.  I put in the Olmak because I was intrigued about the possiblities, even it if did not have any effect.


I am afraid that I think this got lost.


Not lost - there's no question there. As I said, other masks do not have the same effect when broken.


Oh.  Not even other legendary ones, like the Mask of Creation?

 

And if that was the case, how would Vakama know that the Vahi would unleash its power when broken?  It doesn't need to be said that it hadn't been broken already...


Who says he did know? He could have been running a bluff.

ScribeGT6817
2014-08-21 09:24 UTC–5

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

Boidoh wrote:
Hello Greg.
The recent moon stuff has caused immense backlash in the community. They have said that many canon sources such as the Mata Nui Saga, Journey's End and BIONICLEstory.com described them as moons. Could it be simply poetic license, like how Venus is called the Morning Star?

Unfortunately, expecting me to remember everything that was written more than four years ago us not realistic. If you ask questions, I am going to give the best answers I can based on today, because I don't have time to go back and reread all the old material. Folks are certainly free to keep that in mind.


One other point - if you have multiple canon sources already saying A, there is no real reason to ask me if A is the answer or not.

Boidoh
2014-08-21 10:24 UTC–5
The reason I asked the question, although I never really made it clear why, is because I was wondering how a moon had a moon. So instead of listing out 20 or so question, and I was in a hurry then, I asked one question 'if BotaM and AM revolved around BaraM. Then yesterday I remembered you said it and it came up in a discussion then the madness begun. Although even though they are called moons in several canon sources, they are ALSO called planets in several canon sources, which confuses things, again.
NatoGreavesy
2014-08-21 10:31 UTC–5

Keepingyour previous answer in mind, I did some more reading. 

 

According to the BS01 timeline 265000+ years ago, the "Great Beings are the rulers of the highly advanced warrior (I assume this refers to Glatorian) and Agori civilisations," operating out of their giant Maze. 

 

Following this timeline, it isn't until much later, 103000 years ago, that the dreaming plague strikes. 3000 years later, the Element Lords are created. So is this timeline incorrect, and the Glatorian as a species came into existence sometime during the 3000 years between the dreaming plague and Element Lords, or is it correct in saying that the Glatorian existed well before then? 

 

If they did exist before the plague, does the potential remain for Iron Glatorian to have existed, and if so, do any still exist? I'm honestly curious about this, because it seems unusual that the Iron tribe be the only ones without Glatorian defenders. 

 

Also, when you say "Glatorian system" are you referring to the gladiator battles in the arenas, or to the formation of the Glatorian species. I was referring to the latter in my original question, just to clarify.

 

Thanks again for your time. 

Boidoh
2014-08-21 10:35 UTC–5
In Journey's End, 'Recreating that world meant bringing all three planets together again and fusing them together. "'

Definition of planet - plan·et/ˈplanit/
noun
a celestial body moving in an elliptical orbit around a star.

XTGNecro
2014-08-21 11:03 UTC–5

Can Tahu still summon the other Kanohi for him to use?

ScribeGT6817
2014-08-21 12:29 UTC–5

NatoGreavesy wrote:

Keepingyour previous answer in mind, I did some more reading. 

 

According to the BS01 timeline 265000+ years ago, the "Great Beings are the rulers of the highly advanced warrior (I assume this refers to Glatorian) and Agori civilisations," operating out of their giant Maze. 

 

Following this timeline, it isn't until much later, 103000 years ago, that the dreaming plague strikes. 3000 years later, the Element Lords are created. So is this timeline incorrect, and the Glatorian as a species came into existence sometime during the 3000 years between the dreaming plague and Element Lords, or is it correct in saying that the Glatorian existed well before then? 

 

If they did exist before the plague, does the potential remain for Iron Glatorian to have existed, and if so, do any still exist? I'm honestly curious about this, because it seems unusual that the Iron tribe be the only ones without Glatorian defenders. 

 

Also, when you say "Glatorian system" are you referring to the gladiator battles in the arenas, or to the formation of the Glatorian species. I was referring to the latter in my original question, just to clarify.

 

Thanks again for your time. 


I think we are discussing two different things. Yes, members of the species who eventually became Glatorian did exist for the Iron Trible. However, Glatorian is not a species name, it is a job title (we never assigned a species name to the Glatorian). So those beings were not working as Glatorian and fighting in the arena, because that system did not exist during their lifetimes. And I think it is unlikely any are still alive.

ScribeGT6817
2014-08-21 12:36 UTC–5

Boidoh wrote:
The reason I asked the question, although I never really made it clear why, is because I was wondering how a moon had a moon. So instead of listing out 20 or so question, and I was in a hurry then, I asked one question 'if BotaM and AM revolved around BaraM. Then yesterday I remembered you said it and it came up in a discussion then the madness begun. Although even though they are called moons in several canon sources, they are ALSO called planets in several canon sources, which confuses things, again.

Oh, heck, if that is what you are wondering about, that's easy. According to Popular Science, it is theoretically possible for a moon to have a moon (after all, we put spacecraft in orbit around our moon). The trick would be that the moon would have to be far enough away from its parent planet to be able to retain possession of its moon. But it could certainly happen.

I think the reason you see contradictions in canon is that frankly, it really didn't matter much to us how we defined them. The only difference would be whether they were in orbit around another body or off on their own, and since we were going to be pulling them all back together anyway, it really made no difference to the story.

kyle7475
2014-08-21 14:08 UTC–5

Greg, sorry about my annoying reposts-I was hoping you'd be able to answer them, but I'm okay if you can't. Anyways, I have some more questions I'd like to ask you. Some are from my previous unanswered posts, but I hope I'll be able to clarify them better this time.

 

1) What do you think is the average strength level among Toa, discounting elements like Stone or Earth?  We know that the average Toa has a strength level above Class 1, meaning they can lift more than a ton. Assuming the weakest Toa can deadlift 2,001 lbs, that would put them at approx. 12 times stronger than the average human. Not surprising given their physiology. Seeing as Toa are ~7 feet tall and ~90% mechanical, I'd say the average Toa can lift 5-6 tons. What do you think?

 

2) Do MU inhabitants need to drink water to survive, or do they rely entirely on the energy they absorb from their food?

 

3) The Ba-matoran's elemental trait is that they can resist high pressures. Does that mean they are more physically durable than other matoran, allowing them to withstand these pressures; or are they simply less bothered by it?

 

4) Seeing as a Glatorian's sole purpose in society is to fight in Arena Matches to get their village materials to survive, it would make sense for them to be tought combat skills at a young age, like the start of adolescence, yes?

 

5) Seeing as Toa are physically stronger and taller than humans, it'd make sense for them to be able to run faster than humans, right?

 

6) Is the "nervous system" that carries the messages from the brain to the muscles in an MU inhabitant technological or biological? Something else? 

BIONICHARGE
2014-08-21 14:09 UTC–5

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

BIONICHARGE wrote:

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

BIONICHARGE wrote:

BIONICHARGE wrote:

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

BIONICHARGE wrote:

Another question:

 

Vakama once threatened Teridax, telling him that he would shatter the Vahi and unleash the power of time upon the universe.  What would happen if somebody shattered:

 

1. the Ignika?

2. the Avohkii/Kraahkan?

3. the Mask of Creation?

4. an Olmak?


I believe we did things in story about what would happen if the Ignika fell apart. As for the rest, I don't think we ever stated that every single mask would cause a problem if it was broken. Most masks would just be useless if they were broken and would not unleash their power.


Of course not.  It isn't like a broken Hau would form a shield around the Matoran Universe!  I was just interested to see if there were a few other special cases like the Vahi, mostly legendary masks or one-of-a-kind masks.  I put in the Olmak because I was intrigued about the possiblities, even it if did not have any effect.


I am afraid that I think this got lost.


Not lost - there's no question there. As I said, other masks do not have the same effect when broken.


Oh.  Not even other legendary ones, like the Mask of Creation?

 

And if that was the case, how would Vakama know that the Vahi would unleash its power when broken?  It doesn't need to be said that it hadn't been broken already...


Who says he did know? He could have been running a bluff.


Perhaps... but then Teridax would probably know about it (what with the knowledge that he has).  Bit of a risk on Vakama's part!  I suppose that that means the Vahi would unleash its power upon shattering.

 

Is this specific to Legendary Masks, then?  If so, what would the Mask of Creation do?

legocrazy9460
2014-08-21 14:39 UTC–5

legocrazy9460 wrote:

Red Star Questions:

1) If someone loses a limb or other body part in an incident seperate from the one that kills them, will they respawn with the part? And if they change masks, will they respawn with their original mask?

2) If someone dies while using the Iden, will they respawn without a spirit, respawn with a copy of their spirit, or have their spirit transported ro the RS

3) Does the Red Star transport beings into it, or does a device in the MU? If it is a device in the MU, does it have a radius of effect, or do the walls of the Mata Nui robot stop it's effect?

 

Other questions:

1) Is a Matoran's heartlight a mechanichal "heart", or does it flash in time to/monitor/indicate the beat of the heart organ

2) Skakdi have inbred viciousness, but does that mean all of them are vicious? There have been Toa and matoran that aren't good, so there must be Skakdi who aren't evil.

3) If the Great Beings thought the Toa could turn bad and were powerful enough to install a safegaurd, why didn't they install a safegaurd for the Makuta, who were much more powerful and had less programmed goodwill and compassion

4) Where are the Great Beings from 

 

Thanks for doing this, and thanks for the awesomeness of Bionicle!


Did you miss this? I don't see an answer. Sorry if I'm nagging, I just really want an answer.

MarkSurge9411
2014-08-21 14:45 UTC–5

ScribeGT6817 wrote:


1) I don't do outlines, so I have no info to share

2) Well, we know there was a conspiracy, and my feeling it was some planetary governments and some mega-corporations involved

3) It wasn't intended to be that powerful

4) It was Core Hunter's tool that could absorb DB's energies, but the tool was not designed to do that. In science, in a lot of cases, something gets developed that works with something that has existed for a long time

5) Depends. If they were the equivalent of animals/creatures, then they would not have a moral sense and could not be good or evil.

6) Incredibly powerful. A direct hit by a solar flare can do a lot of damage


1: Too bad.

2: Consiracy?Surprised We need tin foil hats!Joking

3: Ahh.

4: Got it now.

5: True.

6: Oh yeah. Especially if you're a robot.

 

More questions:

1: Just how big was the Valiant?

2: I've re read the part many times, but I don't understand how Kirch was smashed. Did the swarm leader force him to jump out, or did the swarm leader seperate from Kirch, and the unconcious robot fell into the sun?

3: Could it be possible that Kirch was part of the Government conspiracy? Because he WAS forced on to the Valiant as a "loyal" crew member by the "GOVERNMENT".

4: Was Deneb evil? If so, was he locked up?

PointlessQuest…
2014-08-21 14:54 UTC–5

Early on in Time Trap, when Vakama originally retrieves the Vahi, he notices that seawater corrosion has caused it to leak Time energy, disrupting Time on the seafloor. That's why he figured that breaking the mask would cause all of Time to descend into madness. Wink

legocrazy9460
2014-08-21 15:00 UTC–5

I recently saw images and articles about a suspected Bionicle re-release in 2015. I am not asking you to confirm or deny it, but in an earlier post you said if Bionicle did come back, you would most likely erase all past history and start anew. However, I love the bionicle story, and if you deleted it, I would probably go crazy (more than I already am). You could instead have it be in a seperate world, making it have the same elements, virtues, and biomechanichal beings, but not coming in contact with the previous world and therefore preserving or even continuing it. I would love it if you could do something like that and not destroy the most amazing story I have ever read.